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Agenda:

  1. Go over Pat's sample AnnotationOfAnnotation to see if it fits our need.  (Qinyan put all related sample files in wiki.)
  2. New type needed for describing matching nodules in AnnotationOfAnnotation.
  3. What values of id that grid service expects in AIM object---question for Tony.
  4. Name conventions/formats for name and uniqueIdentifier attributes of ImageAnnotation tag.
  5. Overview of MAX nodule mapping progress
  6. RADLEX term curation

Meeting Notes:

  1. Go over Pat's sample AnnotationOfAnnotation to see if it fits our need.  (Qinyan put all related sample files in wiki.)
    1. annotation of annotation would be a good place to put the PMAPs
    2. Does max output match nodules regardless of whether they're >3 mm or <3mm?
    3. We can work with Sam offline and he has a record of all markings
    4. Sam says MAX does not do anything with the Non-nodules when there is not spacial correlation with another "nodule" lesion
    5. Many situations where some radiologists mark something as a big nodule and others mark it as a non-nodule
    6. We need to run a test of how MAX behaves when there is a mixed opinion of whether something is a nodule or non-nodule (Sam to forward an example)
  2. New type needed for describing matching nodules in AnnotationOfAnnotation.
    1. None of the current types really match the needs of this project
    2. Suggested creation of a new type called "Nodule Matching"
    3. Pat will discuss with Dave Channin about adding this in to AIM 2.0
    4. This will be a value domain, not a complex type
    5. Tony: if this is a value domain the schema will not need to be changed
    6. If we're going to add an attribute or data type we'll need to regenerate the AIM data service.  Tony can help Qinyan with doing this.
  3. What values of id that grid service expects in AIM object---question for Tony.
    1. it is sometimes unclear about how to handle "ID" attributes
    2. Tony: ID is not being treated as a primary key
  4. Name conventions/formats for name and uniqueIdentifier attributes of ImageAnnotation tag.
    1. Qinyan, John, Justin will discuss offline due to time constraints in the meeting
  5. Overview of MAX nodule mapping progress
    1. this was covered in agenda item #1 as part of the annotation of annotation discussion
  6. RADLEX term curation
    1. John: we want to update RADLEX with LIDC terms
    2. Sam: maybe we should discuss before doing something like this
    3. John: discussion/review on these terms would occur in the RADLEX committee that approves terms  (Sam to get us details on the findings of this)
    4. Sam: group at DePaul did a comparison of LIDC/RADLEX terms in the past
    5. Sam: if RADLEX wants to assume the duty of comparison and sign off he's ok with it
  7. Misc issues raised
    1. Service date/time - we are going to preserve the LIDC service date in AIM
    2. Class comment attribute - use this to identify AIM annotations as having come from LIDC
    3. Raised creation of "franken-AIM" that would basically be AIM "v1.NCIA".  Pat would prefer not to have to manage two separate models (this one + AIM 2.0).  Alpha model of AIM 2.0 integration may be possible if pending funding issues are addressed.
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